Why Christians Should Oppose: The Twilight Saga – New Moon

This morning, I posted a tweet on Twitter about The Twilight Saga: New Moon.  I saw that it was a trending topic, so I clicked on the link in order to read what people were saying about it.  Since the movie will be in theaters this Friday, many people are talking about it.  One tweet was particularly interesting to me.  It read: “Today I’ll be decorating for christmas/new moon party and then I have my cuz basketball game tonight @ 6!!! WAY TO GO GRAY!!!“  I found it interesting that someone would throw a party that would combine both Christmas and New Moon.  I then remembered what the Word of God says about light and darkness in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (ESV):

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.”

Jesus is the Light of the world (John 9:5; John 12).  He came into this sin filled and dark world of fallen humanity as God’s bright and shining Light of Grace and forgiveness.  However, the Word of God tells us that the world did not receive Him (John 1:5, 11).  Jesus Christ came on a salvation mission and redeemed a people unto Himself.  The Bible records the fact that everyone who has been saved by Grace is now the child of God and an heir to the throne of God.  This transformation that took place in our hearts was a miraculous work of God’s Grace that literally changed us into a new creature in Christ.  This transformation caused us to have new desires and a new outlook on life.

2 Corinthians 5:17 – Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

The new birth that took place at regeneration transformed our dark heart that once loved sin into a heart that is alive in Christ.  Our new heart opposes sin and desires to live for Christ.  Therefore, as a new creation in Christ, our ultimate desire should be to shine the light of Christ’s glory into a sin filled world.  Sinclair B. Ferguson once said, “How do we bring glory to God? The Bible’s short answer is: by growing more and more like Jesus Christ.” Healthy Christian Growth, (The Banner of Truth Trust, Carlisle, PA. 1991, p. 2).  As a Christian, the will of God is for us to remain in a constant pursuit of holiness.  Romans 12:1-2 provides us a clear charge to be transformed by the renewing of the mind – in Christ.As our culture continues to saturate itself in things such as vampires, Harry Potter, and New Moon – should the Christian embrace such books, literature, games, and movies?  Do Christians have liberty and freedom in Christ to enjoy such things?  I believe the answer is clearly recorded down in Holy Scripture in Galatians 5. In that chapter, Paul is writing to the Galatians who were being attacked by Judaizers with a false gospel that literally choked the life out of the church in that city.  Paul spoke to them in the latter part of the chapter about Christian liberty and freedom in Christ.  However, he also warned them to refrain from using their Christian liberty as a license to sin (Galatians 5:13-26)!

In that passage of Scripture, Paul outlines some of the sins of the flesh (that the Galatians and ourselves have all embraced):

Galatians 5:19-21: Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

As we read this passage of Scripture, we should pay close attention to what it says about witchcraft in verse 20.  Notice that it lumps that sin in with other sins like adultery and murder!  Then Paul goes on to say that anyone who practices such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.  That is no little statement by the Apostle Paul.  That is a powerful warning that every Christian who is dabbling in things such as Harry Potter and the New Moon should repent immediately.

It should be noted that God has always opposed witchcraft.  In Deuteronomy 18:9-10, God commands His people to refrain from it!  He calls it an abomination!  In Isaiah 8:19, God again warns against such practices as communicating with the dead.  It should also be pointed out that in Revelation 21:8, the Apostle John warns that all sorcerers will have their part in the lake of fire and brimstone.  Therefore, the totality of God’s Word stands opposed to witchcraft and the evil that surrounds such practices.

After the description of the life before Christ by Paul in Galatians 5, Paul then describes the life in Christ.  He points out that the Christian will manifest the fruit of the Spirit.  As we read the list from Galatians 5:22-23, we see that the true Christian will demonstrate a life that reflects Christ – not a sinful corrupt world.  Christians are people of light – not darkness.  Therefore, we should stand opposed to the darkness of sin – no matter how popular or attractive it may seem in books and movies.  Be a bold Christian and stand for Christ – not the world.  Never use your freedom in Christ as a license to sin.

Galatians 5:13 – For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

Pastor Josh Buice

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  1. The article is poorly written and simply begs the question. Taking the logic of the argument to its conclusion, we would be forced to say that any literature which depicts ANY of the actions listed in Gal. 5 [which includes envy, strife, and hatred] is immediately devoid of any redemptive value.The point is to recognize that the point of … Read moreliterature is NOT necessarily to prescribe the actions that it depicts, but to tell a deeper story by using literary devices of fantastical nature. I wonder what this author thinks of the Chronicles of Narnia

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    • Wrong. Any story that GLORIFIES the evil spoken about in Galatians 5 would be devoid of value.

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      • All of you guys are HYPOCRITES!! You guys spread the message that “Any story that GLORIFIES the evil spoken about in Galatians 5 would be devoid of value.” – Aarstrike. I call you HYPOCRITES because you are celebrating Pagan holidays such as Christmas and Eastern and then you tie it with Christian beliefs and feast! Christmas has nothing to do with Christ, its all about worshiping the pagan gods. Open your eyes. These are pagan holidays, in another words, holidays from the world and not from Christ. We are not from this world just like the bible says. I’m not agaisnt this article but i call you HYPOCRITES because you teach something when you are doing the same thing.
        “This is what the L-RD says: “Do not learn the ways of the heathens…for the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel, they adorn it with silver and gold…Their gods are like helpless scarecrows in a cucumber field! They cannot speak, and they need to be carried because they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of such gods, for they can neither harm you nor do you any good.” – Jeremiah 10:2-5

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        • That’s why I don’t encourage “Santa Clause” or the “Easter bunny” in my house. I know that most of the “Christian” holidays we celebrate had pagan origins, which is why I choose not to honor those. But that doesn’t give an excuse to endulge in harmful material such as vampire stories and other occultic stuff. I’m sorry, but Christians have no reason eating this garbage.

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  2. Mr. James,The Chronicles of Narnia and New Moon are not within the same camp! In fact, they seem to be exactly opposed to one another in their purpose. A movie or literary work that embraces and exalts the sins of the flesh should not be celebrated by Christians. You can call my article – “poorly written” if you choose. But, I am most interested with what you have to say about God’s writings. You failed to address the real issue at hand.For the glory of Christ,Pastor Josh Buice

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  3. How exactly are the two films different?Let’s read what your article says:”As our culture continues to saturate itself in things **such as** vampires, Harry Potter, and New Moon – should the Christian embrace such books, literature, games, and movies? Do Christians have liberty and freedom in Christ to enjoy such things?”The “such as” there is important because obviously you’re not simply talking about New Moon, vampires, or Harry Potter. Your complaint has to do with any depiction of witchcraft or wizardry in literature. Again:”As we read this passage of Scripture, we should pay close attention to what it says about witchcraft in verse 20. Notice that it lumps that sin in with other sins like adultery and murder! Then Paul goes on to say that anyone who practices such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That is no little statement by the Apostle Paul. That is a powerful warning that every Christian who is dabbling in things such as Harry Potter and the New Moon should repent immediately.”Have you actually read the Chronicles of Narnia or the Lord of the Rings? You might be interested to know that these “Christian” stories have deeply developed mythologies that make frequent and detailed use of magic, ex nihilo creation and spiritualism. And no mention of Jesus or God ever appears in any of the books for either.It seems like a double standard is being employed here. I would submit that literature is not a prescriptive moral imperative but a medium by which human stories are told. The “magic” used in such stories in a storytelling device. This is, I would insist, a normative reading of literature that avoids imposing legalistic hermeneutics on both the literature and Scriptures.

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  4. Mr. James,First of all, I am standing opposed to New Moon. You bring up the issue of Chronicles of Narnia. I see your point. However, we must look to the purpose of these books and movies. Do you know what the purpose of Chronicles of Narnia is? Does New Moon mention the name of Satan? Does it glorify God or Satan?We could talk about various books of history – such as Pilgrim’s Progress by John Bunyan. Does it glorify Christ or Satan? What is the purpose of the book?I feel certain that New Moon is a work that glorifies Satan and evil rather than Christ Jesus our Lord.Pastor Josh Buice

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  5. I will be the first to admit that I have not read the Twilight Saga, so my opinions are only based on the one film. I will also say that I have not read the Harry Potter Series. I have though read both Tolkien and Lewis’ writings of fiction. The reason why I have not read Either of Meyer’s or Rowling’s writings is because I am not interested in them. There are other things that seem to be more important.One thought comes to mind when I do pick a book to read is what is the author trying to say. Regarding Lewis and Tolkien for the most part their presuppositions are the same as mine. The intentions were not to spread beliefs of magic, but use literary devices to spread Christian beliefs. I would say that biblical authors inspired by God used many of the same literary devices. When the subject is turned to Meyer and Rowling I am not sure of the intentions they have I know for a fact that they do not circulate Christianity, so I am not sure what they are out to sell.Moving to the reason I write and a problem I have among many youth and adults and their priorities. We as ministers need to see the obvious, that Potter and Bella are being read with more excitement, urgency, detail, and faithfulness than the Word of God. I challenge you if you want to hear some great expository preaching ask someone in your congregation or youth group the story of twilight. That is what is sad, it is not that they are practicing witchcraft, though they be desensitized to it, they are involved in idolatry.When the Word of God is being replaced with Twilight and Potter that is the real problem. The lack of hearing the Word is the problem. This falls on us as Pastors and Ministers of the Word. Idolatry is being done, without a thought, because one finds pleasure in escaping in fiction. I myself love escaping in to the literary world of fiction, but I will not and cannot let any book, other that the Bible affect my thinking. That is what is at stake, the battle for hearts and minds. This battle has been going on for centuries. As a minister the main complaint is one would rather celebrate the Birth of the Savior of humanity with the upcoming release of New Moon. As Credence Clearwater Revival says, There is a “Bad Moon Rising”, it may just be this Friday Night.The battle for hearts and minds is at hand; Christians need to step up. It is a call for ministers to prepare and teach children, youth, and adults to know what they read and how to discern what they read from the Word of God. That starts with first people knowing the Word of God.

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  6. Well said Travis. Jessica said you may be going to post something. I am disappointed in Jessica for not introducing us before you went to Southern. However, I realize that we are all three very busy and the time may not have presented itself. The next time you are in town and have time for lunch, call or e-mail and I would love to treat you to a meal and talk Seminary with you.God Bless!

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  7. Josh,Christmas isn’t a Biblical holiday either. It’s not mixing Christianity and witchcraft. December 25th was a Roman pagan holiday.Jesus declared he was the Light of the World (scripture you cited) at the Feast of Tabernacles. That is a Biblical holiday. I wonder. . . did anyone keep that one?Blessings,David

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  8. I just realized, it looks from my post that I don’t celebrate Christmas. I do. And of late, Biblical holidays such as Tabernacles and Passover.

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  9. Sure is funny how any fanciful, made up belief that’s woven into a story for entertainment purposes is “witchcraft” as long as it’s not one of the many Evangelical fanciful, made up beliefs…such as the one you mention–”Hell!” Frankly, if we want to discuss what harm is caused, these vampire/wolfman movies do none, but your belief that God intends to torture billions of people has been at the route of countless evils!I’ve actually written an entire book on this topic–”Hell? No! Why You Can Be Certain There’s No Such Place As Hell,” (for anyone interested, you can get a free Ecopy of my book at my website: http://www.thereisnohell.com), but if I may, I’d like to share a couple of the many points I make in it to explain why.The doctrine of Hell leads believers to set aside Jesus’ original message of caring, loving, forgiving and helping the suffering to hating, despising, condemning and causing pain. Why? Because it’s a very short step to go from thinking God intends to torture billions of people for eternity to thinking they too should, following their idea of God’s example, inflict pain on others!It’s scary to see how many millions of people who SAY they are following Jesus, are actually doing just the opposite! But if they would look at what he taught with any objectivity, it would be clear that Jesus could NOT have believed in Hell.For example, in Luke 9:51-56, is a story about his great disappointment with his disciples when they actually suggested imploring God to rain FIRE on a village just because they had rejected him. His response: “You don’t know what spirit is inspiring this kind of talk!” Presumably, it was NOT the Holy Spirit. He went on, trying to explain how he had come to save, heal and relieve suffering, not be the CAUSE of it.So it only stands to reason that this same Jesus, who was appalled at the very idea of burning a few people, for a few horrific minutes until they were dead, could never, ever burn BILLIONS of people for an ETERNITY!True, there are a few statements that made their way into the gospels which place Hell on Jesus’ lips, but these adulterations came along many decades after his death, most likely due to the Church filling up with Greeks who imported their belief in Hades with them when they converted.

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  10. I think the motives are good on this article, but I also think Christians should understand when they are going to far and too literal.if you have kids…do you allow them to watch disney movies? do you allow them to watch ANY of the new released animated movies within the last few years? Most, if not all, animated movies have adult humor in it. Adult jokes that refer to sex. Do you refrain yourself or your kids from watching it? If you dont, does that make you any less or more of a christian? I do not think so, nor do I believe the bible states that it does. The same with this movie.The thing that bothers me with Christians ( I am a christian by the way) is that people never want to admit what they do in the privacy of their own home. Most christians today teach of pure relationships before marriage but most of them had inpure physical relationships before their marriage. but yet they would NEVER tell someone that. They just keep preaching as if they have NEVER commited that sin. I could almost bet that half the people that have commented, maybe yourself included, had a physical relationship. People need to stop pointing fingers and look at their own sins. I can guarantee that even in yalls lives you all, including me, deal with bigger sins than simply watching a movie for entertainment.i do believe that you need to read the book or watch the movie because in the 4 books that are out in this series the main characters NEVER have sex.

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  11. Rick,With all due respect, your doctrine is not within the framework of orthodox belief. You have opinions and beliefs that do not align with Holy Scripture. Therefore, I must say that I am most convinced as to what the Bible says in places like Luke 16:19-31 and Revelation 21:8 rather than what your opinion is in your book. The Bible is God’s Word – divinely inspired and infallible. You on the other hand are a sinner – who makes mistakes. I think your book is subject to your sin and fallibility where God’s Book – the Bible – isn’t.Pastor Josh Buice

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  12. Raymond,The Word of God stands completely opposed to witchcraft and things related to it – such as vampires who suck and drink human blood. Not only is this movie a means of celebrating these sins, it is also a means of promoting such practices that are not wholesome and Godly. Therefore, I would simply ask – what does the Bible say in 1 Thessalonians 5:22?If you are not going to take that literally – how else would you interpret it? Furthermore, what about the other verses that I referenced in the article? Should they be taken allegorically? I believe God said what He meant and meant what He said! Therefore, I stand on His Word alone as the sufficient source of life and Godliness.Pastor Josh Buice

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  13. David – I am not talking about “Christmas” the day as much as I am referring to the goal of a genuine believer at Christmas – to honor and recognize the birth of Jesus Christ – the Son of the living God.I think you understand what I am intending by that statement.Pastor Josh Buice

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  14. I meant to say liberal, not literal. You still didnt answer the question of, do you allow your children to watch animated movies? That seem innocent but if you are an adult, you will notice several of the lines in the movie is not meant for a kid to understand rather an adult to find humor in it. How is an animated movie that makes sexual references, which most, if not all animated films now have that in there, is any different than this? based upon some of the scriptures you have given, you should also refrain from such movies as those. In fact, based upon the Galatians verse (based upon what you are deriving from it and saying that we shouldnt see that movie because of that verse)…we should just lock ourselves in a closet, never turn the tv on, the radio on and never talk to another human being (believer or not).

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  15. Raymond,Rather than generalizing – why not just get specific and name the movie? If the truth were known, I am a bit strict in this area. I don’t allow my children to watch every movie that is animated – just because it’s animated. I am extremely interested in the content of the movie.Your interpretation of my position and God’s Word is not accurate. I think we as Christians should be reflecting the light of Christ in a dark and sinful world. But, we don’t have to put the world in our heart in order to be in the world. I think we should guard our hearts and minds and seek to be transformed by the renewing of our minds in Christ – Romans 12:1-2. I don’t think that is possible by such films as – New Moon.If that seems a bit extreme to you – I may be guilty of an extreme viewpoint here. But, in the end, I am most interested in what God’s Word has to say. If I am forced to choose between God’s Word and the ideas of our culture (liberal positions on recreation activities involving literature and movies) – I will choose God’s Word each time.Pastor Josh Buice

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  16. Also, I am not trying to argue or debate… I am just simply stating that you cant look at just a couple of movies and say they are wrong or not “christian like”. What you get convicted on might not be the same as what another believer gets convicted on. It does not in any way make them or you closer to God than the other. I mean, you may have never looked at watching an animated movie as a sin but others might because of the hidden jokes that are in them. does that now make you further away from drawing closer to Christ and his will? No! It just means you dont have convictions on it. Also, you have to ask yourself.”is what I am goind hindering my relationship with Christ? I can honestly say that me going to see Twilight is not going to hinder my relationship with Christ. I will not feel like less of a christian for seeing it. I also do not feel like I will be breaking the heart of God if I see this movie. If you or anyone personally felt like you were, then yes, I would say not to see it.

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    • I FEEL THAT YOU ARE BEING CONVICTED BY THIS ARTICLE. YOU, AND YOU ALONE, ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN DECISIONS. IF YOU VIEW THE MOVIE, THEN IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND THE LORD. FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU HAVE MADE VIEWING THE MOVIE JUSTIFIABLE. BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT YOU ARE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN THAT VIEWING THE MOVIE GETS GOD’S SEAL OF APPROVAL, OTHERWISE, YOU WOULD NOT BE DEFENDING YOUR STANCE HERE. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO IN TO YOUR PRAYER CLOSET AND ASK THE FATHER TO SHOW YOU IF THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. HE WILL PROVIDE THE ANSWER IF YOU TRULY DESIRE TO KNOW WITH ALL YOUR HEART. IT REALLY PRODUCES NO GOOD TO DEBATE THIS SUBJECT WITH ANOTHER BROTHER IN CHRIST, RESPECTIVELY.

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      • I agree with every word u have said!

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  17. Raymond,I am not trying to debate you either. LOL – glad to get that behind us! :)Now, I would caution you here because it seems that you are embracing the idea that “what might be right for you may not be right for me and what may be wrong for you may not be wrong for me.” I would simply point to God’s Word as the never changing rule of life and Godliness. We are not allowed to take part of God’s Word and claim a private interpretation to suit our needs. Be careful to submit to the single meaning of each passage of Scripture – not what someone wants to make it say.If the Word of God says to abstain from all appearances of evil – we should.Pastor Josh Buice

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  18. JoshYes I know exactly what you were saying.Fill in the missing dots for me: How is twilight devil worship?I’m serious. My daughter wants to see this really bad. We don’t let them watch witches. . . but I never thought long and hard on vampires.

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  19. David,I never said that a person who watches the movie is offering up worship to the Devil. However, what I did say is that it is not honoring to God and the practices of vampires are directly connected to witchcraft. These practices are always condemned in Holy Scripture as an abomination to the Lord. Therefore, I believe that since this movie presents something that is not honoring to God and dabbles in things connected to witchcraft – we as Christians should seek to avoid such appearances of evil – 1 Thessalonians 5:22!My basis is clearly stated by the words of Holy Scripture in the article. Did I misuse the Scripture or misinterpret it in any way?Pastor Josh Buice

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  20. Pastor Josh,I am so glad that you posted this article! My spirit has been very unsettled by the wide spread popularity, to the point of mania surrounding this movie. I am very careful about what my son is exposed to and I must say that this movie scares me! I agree with you that there are many movies out that are just not appropriate and are diametrically opposed to Scripture. The difference that I see between movies such as Twilight and Harry Potter is the distinct difference in how the “dark side” is portrayed. In Twilight and Harry Potter, the characters that are involved in what I see as ungodly behaviors are portrayed as the heroes of the story and their behavior is normalized and viewed as acceptable. In The Chronicles of Narnia, the White Witch was quite obviously the “bad guy.” This difference is critical to whether these movies should be acceptable to the Christian.

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  21. Just wanted to comment on this thread. Pastor Josh, I honestly think you’ve hit the nail on the head about the Twilight series.It portrays evil in a good light. The strongest argument against this is that Edward doesn’t “want to be an evil vampire”. However, despite this he slowly seduces Bella into not caring about “losing her soul”. The characters mess with occultic stuff, including automatic writing, and even a secular review did not refer to this movie not as “fiction” but as “supernatural”.One of the most disturbing things said in the movie apart from everything else is that Edward refers to “The Lion and the Lamb” getting together. And this is not a reference to Jesus, either. Edward feels he is a dangerous lion, while Bella is the innocent lamb. In another context such as a James Dean movie, etc. this might be an interesting phrase. In this one however, Edward, who is evil at heart (i.e. anemic without human blood – even though he drinks animal blood, damned to hell, etc.) is calling himself a Lion. The devil prowls like a lion – seeking whom he may devour.My girlfriend used to be into this. Like a lot of Christians she didn’t see the connection between the occult and this movie. This is why I put “placeholder” in place of my real name. We almost broke up over the thought of allowing this movie in our home in the future. There is no way. She agreed not to have the books or the movies if we were married. Do you know how that feels to me? I don’t feel like I want to order her around all the time, but scoring a victory like this over the Enemy completely rocks.At least I think so. If we break up over something else it will break my heart. However, I must ultimately hold true to my convictions.People who love Jesus, it is time to do battle with the Enemy, not to be sympathetic toward him. The times are too dangerous, and God loves you and I too much to allow this to go without confronting it. There are people who want to line up to battle with me over this. The battle is not mine though, it’s the Lord’s. Ultimately, you fight against Him when you disagree with Him about witchcraft, etc.No wonder God’s blessing of people turning to Christ and being brought into the family of God is shut down when Christians yield to this.We must choose to follow God first, and be relevant to our world second. If we cannot do both, then relevance to the world must suffer in the place of following God and hearing His voice.Brandt

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  22. Just wanted to clarify – I wrote to those who genuinely love Jesus. I didn’t write to those who don’t care about Jesus or about following him, but simply have a “form of godliness” and religiosity.Those people make their own rules, do not interpret often the plain meaning of the text of Scripture, etc.They are lost, and it is a kind and merciful thing to say this. If you are lost, living a life without the conviction of the Holy Spirit, you need to receive Christ. It is hard but it is worth it, and you will find no greater love.

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  23. “That is a powerful warning that every Christian who is dabbling in things such as Harry Potter and the New Moon should repent immediately.”I was a bit surprised to read this line above. I have read the Harry Potter series. I enjoy the writing and creativity, and at the end of the day I know who my God is. I just don’t understand why books like Harry Potter are always the point of focus and get critiqued this way (not being rude here, I am honestly wondering). My question has always been to folks who oppose the reading of Harry Potter… Have you been to Disneyworld? Does your daughter dress up like the Disney Princesses? Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty… they all have witches and magic in them. Alladin had references to Islam in the movie. Also, what about the WIzard of Oz. And did anyone ever watch Bewitched? People usually don’t think twice about allowing their daughters to watch the Disney Princess movies and my assumption would be that most don’t cross over into the occult. I could be wrong though.Wisdom needs to be used when deciding what is appropriate, because putting a one size fits all label on movies and books hasn’t worked well, at least as far as I’ve seen thus far. I am reminded of Romans 14, where Paul talks about eating meat and how some Christians find this to be unclean or sinful. Paul talks about not causing another brother or sister to stumble by not eating the meat in front of that brother sister, but he also mentions that he “is convinced that no food is unclean. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean”(Romans 14:14) I don’t believe that we make up our own rules of what is acceptable to the Lord, the Bible is quite clear on this matter, but there is no specific passage in scripture for whether or not I should watch Harry Potter. This is where I need to read my Bible, listen to the convictions of the Holy Spirit, question what my motives are and if this particular interest is competing with my devotion to the Lord.Just some thoughts,Rebecca

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    • the bible may not be clear on movies because there was no such thing but the bible is clear that your eyes are the window to your sould, ive gathered what you put in is what you will put out, if you watch or read things like harry potter and even disnet movies etc you are watching withcraft and letting evil spirits in by even having them on your tv, that can and will influence your spirit over time…personally i think tv in a whole is bad you really shouldnt watch any of it, even commercials give the idea that immorality immodesty etc are ok…and it is not

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  24. Thankyou Pastor Josh for standing for truth, righteousness and the light of our Savior. I’ll never understand even the desire to be a part of such darkness when as a child of the most high God I have full access to the throne of God and experience his awesome presence whenever I desire to. Jesus is LIFE and without him I am nothing. To even think of hurting his heart by being a part of such darkness in what this movie stands for grieves my spirit just thinking about it. Every Christian that truly loves and lives for Jesus should simply ask themselves, by going to participate in this movie am I shining the light of Jesus? Would Jesus come with me and sit next to me in the theatre approving of the content of this movie? Um, I don’t think so! As Christians, we are put on this earth to glorify, worship and have a relationship with our awesome Creator!! We are to live a life pleasing to him. God loves us to much to see us fill our hearts, minds and souls with such darkness that glorifies what is an abomination to him.You are so blessed Pastor Josh for standing on the Word of God and what we as christians are called to do when presented with the worlds version of wicked and dark entertainment.From my family to yours, a sincere thank you. I pray blessings upon blessings on your family and ministry in Jesus name.AMEN!Rachel Byers

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  25. Perhaps you should be more interested in people that just decorate for Christmas…and not the theme of the decorations. Almost all of the decorations are from pagan traditions far more anti-christian than any fictional vampire novel/flick LOL! Mistle toe is from pagan Druidic practices…the christmas tree is carried over from the worship of Tammuz and is a phallic symbol (originally only 2 balls were hung on them as representation of Tammuz’s testicles)! I could go on and on about traditions christians have taken from older pagan cultures and pretend it is there own, but I have no real desire to, especially since most people don’t care about the truth anyway.So Pastor Josh, I am curious as to how or if you decorate for christmas…..wouldnt any of the traditional decorations normally used be just as bad as if you had a Harry Potter or New Moon theme (except for maybe a nativity scene)? Wouldn’t a tree be an appearance of evil ? One more question….do you let your children color and hide eggs on Easter?

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  26. Hey everyone, I just wanted to mention something regarding these stories: vampires in the context of Meyer’s creation- are not glorified. They view their “species status” almost as a “disease”….they hate what they are and strive to oppose it. They are ashamed of it and chose to live a different lifestyle. The story at it’s core is without a doubt a love story. Bella saves Edward, it’s not the other way around. Bella loves someone who is unworthy of that love. Edward believes he is unworthy because he is not proud of what he is- again , the lack of pride being a testament to it not being glorified. In my opinion, it is a fresh take on vampire stories and films that have come before it. The perfect example being Anne Rice’s novels. Her vampires are glorified in all that they do, although even in those novels, there is still a certain element that makes it quite clear that being a vampire is undesirable and not a glamorous existence. As far as Meyer’s novels, I completely understand (from a Christian world view) why Bella’s love for Edward is problematic. She does not want to be human, and sees herself unworthy of a monsters love. It’s obviously backwards. But here is my next point, regarding that…..Don’t misunderstand me- in a very literal sense, Bella’s spiritual views, etc. are not of a Christian world-view, but this is not a literal story. It is a fantasy, it is meant for entertainment. The problem comes in with this series (as well as a countless number of books and movies) when it IS taken literally by youth, or when it is put before God in a Christian’s life. God knows our hearts and knows what we find appealing about it and why we are truly interested in what we chose to read. I am not excusing 1 Thessalonians 5:22 or anything pertaining to it concerning various literature and entertainment. What I am saying is if you’re not viewing something as evil, but instead drawn to an element or event in the story (and hence are entertained by it)- God sees that and sees your motives.He knows you are not trying to dishonor him by watching something with something considered to be “evil.” Again, he knows your heart.Evil is evil. I’m aware of that. In the context of certain literature,however, evil is whatever the author says it is according to their creation, it’s story-telling. That is where, unfortunately, I think we as Christians tend to be TOO literal about stories. Stories are just that- stories. They are not meant to be a how-to guide to life. Those that ARE are usually found in the self-help or non-fiction section…..Many stories do have messages and underlying themes that should be very carefully looked at, obviously- especially in a discerning Christian’s life. However some, this series being an example, is meant for entertainment- a temporary escape just like thousands of other classic fantasy and science fiction novels. If we are not to take it entirely literal, then how are we to take it? To me, the answer is simple- view it as a entertaining, fictional tale. Why do we do other recreational activities or participate in other hobbies other than reading? Because it’s fun, it relaxes us and helps clear our minds from the hectic world for a little while. There doesn’t always have to be some huge, looming reason behind enjoying something entertaining- sometimes it’s just fun, it’s harmless.How are we any less Christian to enjoy a fictional story/movie, based on our convictions? We all know what is trashy and no good- God will let us know!More than that, my point is I am appalled by some of the discussions Ive found (not on this site, thankfully) by the condemnation fellow Christians put on other Christians- we are not to judge our true brothers for what they chose to watch. It really saddens me to see that, and to see so many of us get wrapped up in the legalistic matters.A fantasy story that involves a mythical creature that is not glorified is a perfect example for this discussion. Keeping God first in our lives and consulting him before any of our entertainment choices are the best things we can do. No one should be telling anyone else what they can or should be watching- that’s God’s job.One more side note that I found amusing:I had lunch with a few of my co-workers a while back. We are all Bible-believing Christians. One man (an evangelical, southern baptist) was condemning me and another co-worker for reading the Twilight Saga and was also opposed to the Harry Potter series. When I asked him what movie he had seen recently and what he liked, he replied “Dark Knight!” the new Batman movie. When I brought up “well, if you want to get all literal, that’s calling evil for good- a “vigilante” who is not abiding by the law, hurting people, not to mention the Joker’s character and his evil displayed throughout the film.” His reply was “No, he’s a good guy! It’s a fun movie!”There in lies my point.

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    • the bible also tells christians NOT to eat blood of any kind other than not eating food offered up to idols, that is the only food persay we are denied of….so, in every sence of the word, wether they detest what they are or not it is wrong

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  27. When your focus is wrong, it’s just wrong.Often times this blog chooses to focus on the wrong things.Josh–do you have a Christmas tree in your house? EEGADS! I hope not!

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  28. One other note–I cannot fathom the amount of judgment that goes on here on this blog. Writing an entire post over someone’s tweet about Christmas and New Moon decorations? Sheesh.Twilight, as Rachael mentioned above, is about realizing who you, faults and all, and choosing a different path-a path of life and love. Hmm, sounds a lot like Christianity to me, huh?

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  29. Hey Mae -Lecturing the Pastor again? What does the Bible say…

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  30. I found this through searching through google and read what the good pastor posted and many of the replies. Josh, I understand your heart for people and I understand you care to uplift the body of believers. But you have to teach people to follow and hear Christ for themselves and what he says concerning their life. You cannot force your views of Gods standards for you upon other people, even though we know Gods standards are the best for our lives. People have to make their own choices and are responsible for their own decisions. To me, I think Jesus is bigger than Harry Potter, Twilight, The Da Vinci Code or anything the world has to offer. But to say you are dabbling in witchcraft if a Christian reads Harry Potter or goes to watch Twilight, is basically telling that person they are stupid and cant think for themselves and it’s sin if they do. People need the freedom to decide for themselves, they need to decide via Jesus where they have grace and where they dont have grace to do certain things. But to say dont see this or that and then pronounce it as law of the land, just leads people into religion and it doesnt give people the opportunity to hear Jesus in the moment for themselves. I can say for me it’s not a sin to watch certain movies. For someone else that may be troubling and I will refrain when I’m around those people because I love them more than I love my freedom at that moment.

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  31. I am so sad to see so many Christian youth interested in this film series and to see parents that condone it. The truth is that vampires, are demonic forces, and are part of a secular satanic subculture that appeals to today’s youth. It really does not matter if the world sees us as extremes as Christians we are called to be set apart and to ensure that the youth are aware that witchcraft, vampires, and the such are evil and not of God.I hate the comment on judging. As Christians we are called to love everyone but that does not mean not to call sin sin, This movie represents everything that as Christians we should avoid. Kudos for a pastor that will take a stand on the truth. God Bless

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  32. In response to the questions asked regarding my own personal life:While I do have a television in my home and allow my daughter and son to watch specific programs on television, we do not allow shows, cartoons, or movies that promote the darkness of Halloween, witchcraft, or any such practice. Often times during the fall season, specific popular cartoons will have Halloween specific shows. We simply try to weed those out – which is usually easy to do with the use of our DVR.We limit the movies and shows that our daughter is able to watch. She is not allowed to watch certain mythical shows that involve magic / spells / witchcraft. Yes, that does include things such as Wizard of Oz and other popular cartoon type shows. That may seem strange to many people, but for our home, it is the best way to exalt Christ without desensitizing our children to the preliminary aspects of witchcraft.Regarding the celebration of Christmas, yes – we celebrate Christmas as a family. We do not have a single tree in our home – in fact – we have two Christmas trees in our home. Historically, people claim that the holiday was a pagan day, but if that theory holds water, it certainly does not spill over into the celebration of Christmas in our home. While we do celebrate Christmas, we do not celebrate Santa or any of the other major distractions of what Christmas is actually about.At Christmas – our family celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ and everything is centered around Christ. Our gift exchange is a reminder of the gift of Grace that was given to us by God through His Son on the cross of Calvary. So, in no way does Christmas in our home have a pagan atmosphere or flavor.Regarding the Twilight Saga: New Moon – it does have an extremely dark atmosphere that surrounds it. The same thing is true with Harry Potter. Regarding Jason’s comment above, we should not just sit back and allow each Christian to decide what Grace will allow them to do in life. Paul specifically says in Galatians 5 that we are not to use our liberty in Christ as a license to sin. Furthermore, we are also to hold one another accountable in the church – and that involves making people aware of dangers that are lurking on the horizon.I am thankful that this article did help some people – and to God be the glory for that. For others who disagree – I have not seen anyone explain how my use of the Scriptures in my support were misinterpreted or abused. Please correct me with Holy Scripture – not your opinion – if I am truly wrong.God Bless,Pastor Josh Buice

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  33. Regarding scripture and this discussion:I find that Romans 14:14 is relevant to this as Rebecca mentioned above about personal convictions. Calling sin sin and holding one another accountable is absoultely biblical. But when you see a piece of scripture and it varies in it’s meaning to you based on your own conviction, then you try to tell another fellow Christian that they are sinning according to your view and conviction from that scripture, that is being judgemental and in this case, legalistic. I am not talking about each individual person taking each piece of scripture and twisting and turning it to meet their own needs!Truth is truth, but personal conviction is personal.As for Galatians 5, we are not to use our liberty in Christ as a license to sin, as well as 1 Thessalonians 5:22 – reading or watching a movie that is a fictional tale that is relative to the author’s imaginative creation, does not make it sinful. Just because there is a wizard, witch, etc. in a fictional story to entertain or act as a metaphor, fable, etc. does not mean we are dabbling in the physical act of practicing witchcraft or engaging in vampirism.Looking at a movie with a vampire in it does not make the movie evil. Reading a book that talks about magic in a fairy tale does not make the book evil. As for avoiding the appearance of evil- absoultely- if there was a movie that demonstrated or encouraged the LITERAL practice and lifestyle of witchcraft or vampirism and it’s sole purpose was to instruct and promote it, that is evil! The appearance of evil is APPEARING to be engaging in witchcraft or the lifestyle, not merely watching a fictional tale that incorporates the elements of witchcraft to tell a symbolic story. Again, it is not meant to be taken literally.Keep in mind, 90% of the time monsters of lore and other mythical tales are used as a representation of something to convey a struggle, emotions, etc.No wonder there is so much division amongst Christians in “grey” areas such as this, and no wonder legalistic views such as this turn people away from us. Of course we shouldn’t change our beliefs or compromise to please the world. It’s views like this unfortunately that only take the focus away from what is really important in our relationship with God and then all people see is rules-….”that’s evil, that’s not, do this, don’t do that, if you do, you’re a sinner and need to repent immediately….” If a person isn’t convicted about something, don’t try and tell them they should be. You don’t have to repeat the same scripture for them, they see it. They just do not see how you get that interpretation from it.Apparently, I am not the only Christian who feels this way, considering there are countless numbers of blogs and discussions dedicated to topics such as this full of people who express the same feelings regarding the scripture and it’s uses in relation to their entertainment choices. This does not make us guilty of sin or make us any less of a Christian. If other Christians want to tell us so, that is really a shame.Thank you so much for this post, this is great discussion in the body of Christ. No hard feelings meant, just sharing my sincere thoughts and convictions. :)Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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  34. Rachael,Good thoughts. Kids/people in general are turning away from fundamentalism(not perjorative) for several reasons, one example being revealed in this post. How far should a ‘good Christian’ go in abstaining from anything that is not godly? Each person who considers themself a ‘good Christian’ will invariably come up with a different answer. Pastor Josh has his views, and consideres them consistent with the ‘word of God’, (whatever that means). However, your standard Catholic probably will most likely feel he is being too ‘puritanical’. Then again, your standard Jehovas Witness/Amish/etc. would see Josh as too liberal.America is at war with religious extremists of the Islamic faith. The average person with any biblical knowledge can see how extremism in the Christian faith could manifest itself with an equal amount of violent fervor if the wrong persons (albeit with the best of intentions) were given enough societal controll.The ‘church’, and I use this term loosely, needs to focus on building things up, instead of worying about a movie or a book that doesn’t ‘preach the awesomeness of the Christian concept of godliness’. Hey, here is an idea. Instead of worrying about this movie, teach your children to get involved with local politics, sports, and charities. Show them how they can make a difference in the world. And if they want to watch a movie, let them. Let them make up their own minds. If you did your jobs, you wouldn’t be worried about what they read or watch.As for the indoctrinated ‘christians’ out there, get a life. The only thing ‘evil’ about this movie is that it doesn’t represent your interests. Shall we start up a book/movie burning for you? We can get it stoked up with copies of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn, then maybe Farenheit 451 along with the Koran for good measure…

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  35. Rachael and Jeff, you can throw mud, call names, and make your own opinions known, but where are my exegetical errors as it pertains to the Holy Scripture?God’s Word is not open for private interpretation. We don’t have a right to claim the Bible means something that God never intended. So, to claim the Scripture means something different to you is out of the question. If that is your view of Bible interpretation – we will never be able to come to any resolve.Once again, if I am wrong – please show me how my interpretation of the Scripture is misguided. Blaming me for legalism isn’t an accurate statement – nor does it provide any evidence that my interpretation of the text is wrong.What does God say in His Word?

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  36. Josh- You are correct. We will never be able to come to any resolve. The point I know I was making- I cannot speak for anyone else who disagreed on this page- is not that your interpretation of the scripture is misguided, nor was it abused. It is that it simply differs than those views of other Christians. Not everyone feels the same way, and those that do not feel the same way are no less Christian and shouldn’t be told to “repent immediately” for watching a movie or reading a book according to your view of the scripture. I never said God’s word is open for individual, private interpretation. What I did say, is clearly, many Christians see that scripture differently than you do. It just seems that those varying views tend to lump in to a few very specific groups on a scale….extreme, liberal and everything in between- not private interpretations……”Once again, if I am wrong – please show me how my interpretation of the Scripture is misguided. Blaming me for legalism isn’t an accurate statement – nor does it provide any evidence that my interpretation of the text is wrong.”I did show the scripture I was referring to regarding personal conviction to address the issue in my prior post. I did not post to discredit your use of it….”Notice that it lumps that sin in with other sins like adultery and murder! Then Paul goes on to say that anyone who practices such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That is no little statement by the Apostle Paul. That is a powerful warning that every Christian who is dabbling in things such as Harry Potter and the New Moon should repent immediately.”We are not “practicing such things” by reading a story.That’s all I have to say. God bless everyone and take care!

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  37. Josh you said God’s word is not for private interpretation. Well if you follow that out, technically the theology you believe in is someone elses interpretation of scripture, someone had to study it out in private. So that doesnt make much sense. Scripture is like a diamond, sometimes you can look at the same passage and see things differently. This is all by revelation of the Holy Spirit. If you say that Gods word is not for private interpretation, then there is no need for people to have a Bible, we would just all sit in the pew and hear the “Man of God” tell us what to think. That’s taking people back before the Reformation and we would just follow the Pope or a pope. Folks, by checking your brains at the door when you walk into church and subscribing to everything a leader says without question is flat out dangerous, that’s exactly how cults are started. God gave us a brain to think with, and often times we are told to shut up and not think. Dont ask questions about such and such. I’ll be the first to say He’s not afraid of our questions or doubts about things, He’s fully capable to lead us into all truth. You said “Galatians 5 that we are not to use our liberty in Christ as a license to sin.” Of course we are not supposed to, that’s not loving people. Liberty without love = bondage. but you left out the second part but through love serve one another. Real love is not making the decision for someone else nor taking that decision away from them. God is not about taking away our choices from, but He is about changing what we choose.

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  38. Jason,I think you are right that God is not about taking away our freedom to choose. If He was, don’t you think He would have changed Adam and Eve’s decision? However, you must be very careful to not make the truth of Scripture to a person or a person’s beliefs. The Bible is very clear that truth is absolute-there is only One Way, One Truth, etc…That is the person of Jesus. You and Rachael and others are free to believe what you wish. It is your choice, but be very careful to use Scripture as a backup for a movie that is so clearly against Scripture.There is nothing holy or Godly about a vampire. Nothing. I will say it again…NOTHING! There may be good points in the movie. However, Satan is always careful to put just enough good into something that is so clearly his work as to fool those who are not very much on guard. He is the deceiver or all deceivers and seeks to destroy you.My only admonition to you is to be very careful. Don’t be deceived or misguided about something as simple as a movie. Satan uses whatever tools he can to lead the sheep away. He doesn’t care what the end result is for you. In fact, he would love to see you dead. Don’t give him the satisfaction.

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    • Jason, I agree with you 100%. It has taken me a long time as a christian to understand what you just explained here. I know for certain you can only speak with this type of wisdom if you are a person who has searched for God, a person that wanted to draw close to God, a person that wanted to be set apart and not just be your typical so called christian that lifts God up on Sunday and Monday does what he/she wants. In my quest for the truth, since my faith is christian that means my quest for Jesus, he said he was the way the truth and life right? Here is what I’ve come to learn as well! There are some big questions that never get answers, like; DOES GOD EXIST? I believe he does, but if someone ask’s me I have to answer it just that way, I believe he does. Why? Because Its not a fact and cant be proven. It requires faith to make the connection. There are many other big questions, but I wont go into it here since I’ve already made my point. Pastor Josh, I admire your desire to want to serve God with everything you have! Seriously, I know God is and will use you in a huge way for this. But in the end you will look back on this and think man, maybe I was a little to close minded, maybe a little to black and white, maybe a little to judgmental. Why, because I used to preach the exact same way as you are here on this page, Man I was a warrior and I was gonna make sure I got to heaven. Now guess what, I’m a messed up sinner that cant get anything right, lol. Seriously, I believe God will show you that you are not in control every time. I believe God wants us to mature and sometimes we need to see the bad in this world to do it. I don’t expect to hear anything positive back from you on my post, because I know what I would’ve written 10 years ago to my self now. I could’ve literally had this debate on my own with my self 10 years ago. We change, we learn, we realize! Thank God!!!! That’s all for now. Sorry if in places I’m hard to understand, you’ll just have to get your own interpretation from it as everyone else will do with the bible that truly wants to hear and not only listen to what its saying. Your brother in Christ; Joshua Hamilton P.S. Gods Grace and Mercy and love is UN-conditional.

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  39. Christine,I appreciate your heart and concern, I have not seen these movies nor read any of the books. I probably wont see them because I dont desire to do so, not really my cup of tea. I have Christian friends who are fully commited to God, have read Harry Potter, and all of the other books and it hasnt knocked them off the path. They arent decieved, they treat it as a story and move on with their lives. For them they have grace to read or watch those things, to them it is not sin, and as far as I know they have not been convicted by the Holy Spirit to give-up those things. My whole point is anytime Christians take a particular thing be it Harry Potter, Twilight, Da Vinci Code etc… and throw a “thou shall not” and preach against it, it tends to bring more attention to it because it is now been coded “forbidden” and that pushes people towards it. Viewing a movie with magic in it is not on the same scale as practicing tarot card reading. God sees the heart of people, and He knows the heart of people. Once again, people need to be free to make those decisions for themselves, they need to discover where they have grace and where they dont, this only comes through relationship with Jesus Christ and hearing his voice. It’s something we learn and grow up into. And everyone is in a different place in there walk. A person cannot be the Holy Spirit for someone else, and if I were to place my walk on someone else, that’s wrong.

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  40. Christians:Turn away from what is evil, and toward God and what is good. If something is sin to you, then it is sin. All things are permissible, but not all things are profitable. You will not lose your salvation by what you watch; but you may open yourself up to unclean spirits. You do believe in the spiritual realm, right? Then you must be careful about what you allow into your life. Remember, too … these books and movies are not actually written for adults, but for adolescent females (although both genders and a wide spectrum of ages have been compelled by the series). But the target group is very vulnerable. If it didn’t matter what we watch or listen to, why would there be admonitions about these in the Bible? We need to not only guard ourselves from the devil, who is a roaring lion looking for those whom he can devour; but we must also guard our children, our friends’ children, and any others in our circle of influence. When I was younger and NOT in close relationship with the Lord, I read books by Stephen King and Anne Rice, to name a few. Now that I have aged just a bit and have a family of my own, I could not fathom reading such books. But that is my conviction. I realize not all Christians agree on this specific matter; but Pastor Josh does not need to be bashed because of his faith or beliefs. We need to lift each other up. The devil loves it that we engage in these arguments. Pastor Josh is speaking out based on his convictions and possibly even a leading from the Lord. If he has been called by God to be a pastor, then he is a spokesperson for God. So instead of arguing with him, what could it hurt to just ask God yourself? Now this is just for Christians, or for those in actual pursuit of God. Anyone else, you might not find this useful. But in humility and reverence, ask God, our Creator, “Does this movie hurt my child? Does it hurt me?” If you really want the answer, God will answer you. The truth is, you may already have the answer.If you’re on this site arguing with the author, then something about the subject matter and/or the author’s comments really got under your skin. If you don’t agree because the author is a crackpot, then you can just click the “X” at the top right and laugh it off; but why the rude comments? It is amazing how the Internet has allowed the spread of such hostility and rudeness toward one another. Ultimately, your decision is between you and God. Just be honest with both yourself and God, and allow Him to show you His best plan for your life!God bless,Grace

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  41. Josh, you asked: “My basis is clearly stated by the words of Holy Scripture in the article. Did I misuse the Scripture or misinterpret it in any way?”No. I didn’t mean to imply you did. I understand what you are saying. I appreciate your clear stand.

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  42. Jason,I agree that you cannot be the Holy Spirit for someone else. However, didn’t Paul tell us to avoid being a stumbling block for others, i.e. other Christians, unbelievers, etc. We have to be so careful with what we do, say and watch. It’s not always for our walk that we must be careful. It may not be a sin for you to take a drink of alcohol, but you may cause another brother to stumble by taking that drink. Alcohol is just one example, so please don’t misread that I am condoning drinking. I AM NOT. The same could be said for attitudes, conversations, music, etc.One last point, we shouldn’t have to wait until the Holy Spirit convicts us to the point of brokenness when something is so obviously against Scripture. I believe that God is very pleased when we make the right decision on our own.

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  43. I don’t know how the scripture could be any plainer:Ephesians 5: 8-12 (NIV): “For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have NOTHING to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.(KJV) : “For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.And have NO fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.IPs. 101:3 (NIV) “I will set before my eyes NO VILE THING” (KJV) “I will set NO WICKED THING before mine eyes.”We are VERY careful what we allow to be placed before our eyes and our children’s eyes. Not that I don’t enjoy sitting down, relaxing, and watching a good clean edifying movie (when we can find one) but I keep hearing over and over that these things mentioned are for “entertainment.” Is “entertainment” even a “need” that God has promised to meet?” We are truly a generation (of both adults and kids) that believes we have a right to be constantly entertained. I keep hearing the word “escape” also. Why do we need to “escape, and what from?” Yes, there are even many times that I would love to relax and watch a movie to “unwind” after a challenging day. But so often, there’s just nothing worthwhile to find to watch. And rather than watch trash and defile our minds, we’ll be bored if we have to.Just as people no longer think about what they’re putting into their bodies (the temple of God), many no longer think about what they’re putting into their mind, and more importantly, their spirits.Thank you Pastor Josh, for your stand.

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  44. Grace, you are 100% correct. To Josh and anyone else who I have disagreed with on this page- I do not intend to be rude or “bash” anyone. That is unfortunately the downfall to the internet and on-line writing forums, they are so impersonal and you cannot see or hear the heart of the person speaking as if they were right in front of you. Please don’t misunderstand me- yes, I disagree with these views, but I in no way disagree with the heart and convictions behind this article that was written. I am sincerely grateful that we even have a man of God who stands firm on his personal convictions and is willing to share them with others, with the genuine intention to help others. I meant what I said in one of my prior posts- thank you, sincerely for this article. It is really a great discussion for believers, not just because of New Moon but because of the many other popular films out there that hold the same controversies amongst believers.At the end of the day, no matter what any of us say here, it is undoubtedly between us and God. No disrespect was meant to anyone.Have a blessed Thanksgiving everyone.

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  45. Pastor Josh:I wrote my previous comment at about 3 am, and I didn’t take the time to clarify that I don’t think you’re a crackpot… lol … my point is that if someone disagrees with Pastor Josh, just respectfully disagree. However, if you’re a Christian, you need to be careful how you treat your brother. If you’re a non-Christian, be thankful that we still have people who stand up for your spiritual health. Neither Pastor Josh nor anyone can really “tell you what to do”. He’s just admonishing about a craze that is very concerning.So many decisions become open to debate, just like this has, amongst Christians. How one dresses, what one listens to, what one watches, which man to vote for president, should a Christian get a tattoo?, should women be pastors or teach men?, etc. So many issues can divide Christians.Christine, who posted a few messages above, reminds about not being a stumbling block to others. And she also makes a good point that we should not wait to the point of being broken to know God’s will. That’s like waiting for a “feeling” or a “leading” before one will do something. God’s ways are so often contrary to our feelings. I know Christians who like the Twilight series, and others who drink alcohol. I do not engage in either because I want to keep myself clean and more open to God. I do sometimes question how/why Christians justify certain things that I think are spiritually dangerous. Vampires seem obviously anti-God, evil, dark, and monstrous.Raymond Mark: I believe it’s spiritually unsafe to watch the Twilight movies or read the books in the series. I do have kids and I am also very careful about what kinds of movies/shows they watch, what music they listen to, what books they read. I don’t think these things necessarily lead to hell; but I fully believe they affect one’s spirit which affects their beliefs and choices in life. Exposure to evil in the form of “dark” movies and the like may even cause a young one to be enticed by the devil’s forces, and dislike God’s light. There was a period in my life when I was very enticed by Anne Rice’s vampire stories. I was very drawn into “darkness” through all forms of media (music, etc). There is no light in these influences. And soon you become very sensitive to this darkness and it becomes a familiar spirit. I am now wary of visceral experiences, because they don’t always come from God and often lead to mental and emotional control. We need to be in control of our senses and not give in to fleshly lusts. I am not perfect in this area; none of us is. The devices of the devil can sometimes be very subtle; it sometimes takes a bit of time for me to realize something my kids are watching or playing is not appropriate. But we should just keep on moving in the direction of drawing closer to God. As we do that, we extend more grace toward others, but we also are able to stay on the path that leads to life. In Christ “are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. (Colossians 2:3)Rick Lannoye: Many people, Non-Christians and Christians, like to take the parts of the Bible that support their own views and ignore other parts that seem inconvenient. If you are going to take scripture to support your belief of who Jesus is and what His message was, then you also need to read the whole Bible; there are scriptures that clearly identify that hell is a real place. Why in the world would anyone want to “make up” hell? If a person is born again, having received the free gift of God’s grace through Jesus, then he must accept and embrace the Bible in its totality. The BIBLE speaks of hell. Seriously, I doubt any Christian wants there to be a hell. You speak of Jesus’ original message. You fail to mention that Jesus says “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father but through Me”. Many non-Christians want to believe there are many ways to “God”; and “God” is used generically. Jesus’ ultimate goal was to be the sin-bearer once and for all for all of mankind, to reconcile people to His heavenly Father. To save people from an eternal life separated from God. God does NOT say He is going to torture millions of people. There is an adversary, the devil, who is fighting for the souls of as many as he can deceive. It’s the devil who is leading people to hell. Rick, I encourage you to read the Bible in its totality. Stay open to every word, which has been God-inspired and meant for your salvation and edification.Pastor Josh, keep standing for the truth. You’ve struck a cord and it’s motivated me toward a deeper relationship with Jesus.Blessings,Grace

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  46. Josh,Have you actually seen the movie? read the book?The story is about being something (A vampire) that you know is wrong, that you don’t want to be. Belle (not a vampire) loves Edward (a vampire)…he hates who he is, and she loves him because of who he is…he doesn’t feel worthy to accept her love, but she loves him, without end. He isn’t a practicing vampire…it is merely a way for the author to present him as something bad.The point is that while you make the personal choice to ban this movie in your home, it doesn’t mean Christians are dabbling in “evil” to watch this movie. I have no tv in my house because I don’t like 99% of what is on it. My kids watch videos–I control the content and they are not targeted with ridiculous commercials and seemingly unending marketing schemes to get us to buy the latest “thing.” I very much control what is in our house, for my children and for myself. Why? Because words and visuals have power in our lives and I’m not giving that power away.To judge this movie and the people who watch it so harshly is going too far. If you had blogged over why you were against this movie and given the scripture references, I don’t think I’d have been nearly as turned off. But when you judge, it almost immediately shuts down communication.Would Jesus focus on this movie? I don’t think so. He’d offer light and a new path…a new life.

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  47. I don’t think it is that serious. I believe that you have to be in a place of spiritual maturity. There are so many things that come our way on a daily basis. But we have to be in that place where it doesn’t affect us. I’m not saying that you blaitantly involve yourselve in things that aren’t of God. But, I don’t believe that because I watch a movie that I’m involving myself in witchcraft.

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  48. I have to say, compared to other threads that I have read on other sites, there is very little that could be considered ‘bashing’, going on here. These discussions can and should be open to people with opposing thoughts, who are not afraid of speaking their minds. Otherwise, we would all be here typing ‘Amen Josh’, ‘I agree with you Josh’, ‘ditto, Josh’, etc. Not much of a thought provoking discussion then, huh?I am glad someone brought up the scriptures regarding not being a stumbling block, or setting no wicked thing before my eyes. And I think these points get to the very heart of the discussion. What may be a stumbling block to me, may not be to you. What may be considered wicked to you, may not be to me. Herein lies the problem. If we as Christian were to try to remove all stumbling blocks, no matter how extreme or benign, where would that lead us? Let’s look at womens clothing. If a Christian woman wears an outfit that accentuates her breasts to the point that men stare, is that causing a stubling block? Is it wicked to some to see the clevage? If so, then should all Christian women dress Southern Baptist style? Even then, is not the womans silouette still a stumbling block to some, evil in the site of some? At what point would an intolerant Christian theocrat force all women into the same head to toe garments the Muslim women wear. Then and only then does the chance of stumbling block and wickedness dissipitate. So yes, the scriptures are open to interpretation, and since God’s voice hasn’t boomed down to the masses in nearly 2000 years, we are left trying to do the best we can with what we have got, which is a book called the Bible, written by man, re-written by man, transcribed by man, and ultimately interpreted by man. Sorry, but if you try to make the statement that only your interpretation is correct, the REAL truth, what God REALLY thinks, you are no better than any of the previous ‘infallable’ men that has led his flock astray.

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  49. Hey Jeff D:1. “How far should a ‘good Christian’ go in abstaining from anything that is not godly? “Answer: There is no such thing as a ‘good Christian’ … “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23). And how far should a Christian go in abstaining from ungodly things? All the way! If you’re running a race, what’s the point? To say you’re a contestant, or to win? Each person probably has their own personal best; and we should live each day purposefully, doing our best. Keep in mind ….. there are SO MANY blessings associated with living a disciplined life as a Christian. I don’t see it as “gosh, I have to keep abstaining from those little temptations here and there … what a pain!” …. No, I see the miracle of a new blessing in my life when I discipline my thoughts, emotions, and body, and seek God to have real relationship with Him. I purpose to live by grace, knowing that my good works do not save me; but also realize that I was saved FOR good works.Be blessed, Jeff, and thanks for adding to the conversation.Grace

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  50. Thanks Grace, but I think the point was missed entirely. My analogy above was not meant to define who a ‘good Christian’ is, because as you noted -Rom. 3:23. And I would agree…Again, the question is not what personal actions help a Christian walk a more triumphant, godly life, but what worldly things should be avoided, and to their logical conclusion, should be banned, so as to facilitate the godly walk. And to take things one step furher, how far would a an overly zealous Christian majority, if given the power, go to ‘purify’ their society in an attempt to ‘help’ themselves and others live a more ‘edified life in Christ’?

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  51. The problem with many Christians is they forget how to relate with regular people because they are so busy abstaining from it, or they feel when they are in conversation they have to constantly steer it to Jesus, God or the 5 steps to salvation. How about we just try loving people for a change, and talking to them without steering the conversation to God, the Gospel, or Jesus. I think the majority of Christians are too busy in their own little subculture, because they believe it pleases God. Jesus didnt try to box himself into religious molds, and broke the religious traditions placed by man on purpose. He went to the downcast of society. He didnt condemn them based upon what they did or didnt do. I fully believe in turning from sin, but I dont believe in being boxed into religious traditions that cause me to forget how to relate to people. Just my 2 cents…Hope you all had a happy thanksgiving !PeaceJason :)

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  52. Jason,I couldn’t agree with you more…

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  53. AMEN, Jason, AMEN!!What you have spoken of is EXACTLY what Jesus wants us to do. Exactly.

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  54. Lots of comments and I haven’t had time to read them all. But I agree with Sam James in his comparison to Narnia in saying:”Have you actually read the Chronicles of Narnia or the Lord of the Rings? You might be interested to know that these “Christian” stories have deeply developed mythologies that make frequent and detailed use of magic, exnihilo creation and spiritualism. And no mention of Jesus or God ever appears in any of the books for either.”It is actually disappointing to me that Narnia was written by a Christian who felt the need to approach a children’s story in this manner. For someone “supposedly” as wise as C.S. Lewis (I hear him quoted frequently by Christians) doesn’t he see the harm in indoctrinating these spiritual themes into the minds of vulnerable and impressionable children?The mixture of truth and error comes as no surprise to me. For this reason, I would never pick up a book written by C.S. Lewis and I have heard of other “mixed messages” from him. I did watch Narnia on TV and enjoyed it, I’m not fanatical, but I can certainly see the danger in the messages. And I would not chose to see New Moon and would also probably avoid it on TV, as I usually do those sort of movies.I agree that some movies are harsher in that their messages are stronger and more intense; and so in that sense may be more damaging. But nonetheless we allow ourselves and our children exposure to a lot of unGodly influences. I think there is evidence that this has a strong affect on people. It’s not always easy in a society that bombards us with violence, unGodly forms of spirituality and sexual immorality, but we should to avoid these materials as much as possible. You are what you eat.

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  55. Christians are not regular people?I am not sure if some of the comments here are for genuine conversation, or to just debate. Since the article was presumably written for Christians, and I am a Christian, it seems a natural progression to steer the conversation toward Jesus. Why else would Christians care what they do? We base our whole faith in God on what the Bible says and who Jesus is. Much of the New Testament is filled with clear guidance as to how Christians are to walk; and a bit here and there speaks of what life will be like without Christ. How wrong to equate steering the conversation toward Jesus to mean someone is not loving others.If you’re not a Christian, why did you post at this site? You are naturally not going to like scriptural references. The article was written for Christians, based on the title. If you are a Christian, why do you find references to Jesus, God, scripture, salvation, redemption … etc. offensive?Jeff D, my answer to your question “what worldly things should be avoided, and to their logical conclusion, should be banned, so as to facilitate the godly walk” is this ….. take it to God. He’s the one that you will stand before in the end. Just you and Him. So, who really cares what I think? I know in my heart what God requires of me. Mostly based on His Word …. but also based on personal experiences and what I have learned to stay away from. ALSO, based on what I experience when I don’t seek things in the world, but seek Him instead. It is actually possible to be a regular, down-to-earth person, and yet have a vibrant, real relationship with Jesus. Okay, if you’re not a Christian, that’s going to sound weird. But if you are a Christian, well, if it’s not about a relationship with Jesus, then what is it?Jeff D, my answer to the other part of your question “And to take things one step furher, how far would a an overly zealous Christian majority, if given the power, go to ‘purify’ their society in an attempt to ‘help’ themselves and others live a more ‘edified life in Christ’?” is, WHAT?? Okay I answered with a question, but I really do not understand what you’re trying to say. You make it sound like attempting to live by godly standards is weird or sick. Or that the people who attempt to live godly standards are overly zealous. Can you tell me: are you a Christian? This would help me better understand you. You seem to know a lot about Christianity and what the Bible says, but you also seem antagonistic toward Christianity. I do not ask to provoke you; seriously, this type of one-dimensional communication is terrible when you’re really trying to convey your heart.I did not come to this site to put people down for watching the movie, reading the books, or doing anything else that I might not agree with. From the very beginning of hearing about the Twilight series, I have strongly opposed them. No one will change my mind about that, but I also realize not everyone has made that same decision. The author of the article posed a question, so, that is my answer. My goal in life IS to steer people toward Jesus, because Jesus is the whole reason I even have breath. Jesus is the reason I have the strength I need to get up each day and care for my family and those around me. My life has been a series of emotional, relational, mental, physical, and spiritual trials, challenges, and heartaches …. probably like the rest of you. I can say, definitively, that I have experienced everything ungodly that I want to taste. I prefer the peace that comes with making choices that protect my mind, heart, and spirit. I am also trying to set a right example for my kids. There is a difference between godly and ungodly choices. Each of us knows the line we shouldn’t cross.I don’t really like debates, although I have done a bit of it here. But it tends to feel after a while that someone just wants to beat you up. So, I think my time here is about up. If I offended you by saying the name Jesus, I won’t apologize. If you feel condemned by me then I do apologize, because that isn’t loving. I do pray you find your way in life to a place of meaningfulness …. but mostly, that you find life in Christ.

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  56. “As we read this passage of Scripture, we should pay close attention to what it says about witchcraft in verse 20. Notice that it lumps that sin in with other sins like adultery and murder! Then Paul goes on to say that anyone who practices such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That is no little statement by the Apostle Paul. That is a powerful warning that every Christian who is dabbling in things such as Harry Potter and the New Moon should repent immediately.”The thing that makes me the most nauseous about the logic of this whole article is based on the passage above. My I just ask if I read about witchcraft how is that making me dabble in it?! So, from what I understand, the next time I watch Law and Order i am committing murder. Or for that matter, the next time i hear i a lie, i just lied?“Today I’ll be decorating for christmas/new moon party and then I have my cuz basketball game tonight @ 6!!! WAY TO GO GRAY!!!“ I found it interesting that someone would throw a party that would combine both Christmas and New Moon. I then remembered what the Word of God says about light and darkness in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18:In regards to the verse you used about light light and darkness, I am a little ashamed that you did not even try to correlate the darkness of twilight to equal the darkness the verse spoke of. In fact the only inference you made was,”This transformation caused us to have new desires and a new outlook on life.” But the problem is that the tweet quote you used would mean that basketball would not be a desire of the Spirit but of the flesh because basketball does increase directly the Holiness or Glory of Christ.I would go on in all of the straw man arguments and frankly just backwards nonsensical sentences put together to prove a point that doesn’t exist. This ideal of Christianity will make people hate Christianity more or at best an increased want of Christians to want to read twilight out of spite out of such stupidity.

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  57. Wow, it seems that I am gaining many friends by this article. I didn’t intend on making any enemies, but I guess that is what happens when you take a stand against our popular culture these days.Just for the record, I don’t think that by watching the movie you will be damned to Hell for eternity. I don’t think it is the same as personally practicing witchcraft. However, if adultery and fornication are evil sins that are condemned in Scripture, should I entertain myself with porn videos? At what point does a Christian’s appetite long for things that are light rather than darkness? That was my point!Pastor Josh Buice

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  58. That example of porn to adultery is because you watch porn for the lust of longing to do the actual sin. when something like twilight is a BOOK where you just want to become entertained with characters and drama. you are not reading it longing to practice witchcraft. I think you know that because you avoided the question of rather watching Law and Order makes you a murder.P.S. Im not defending twilight its a retched book, which i refuse to read, but have heard enough about. I am however just pointing out that your opinion is entirely skewed, and even if it could be argued based on an absolute ideal Christianity, it is the last thing on a giant list of the things that the church should bring to attention or fix. You should start with getting your (church as a whole) theology straight, because saying its the only truth is hard to believe when there are as many views and theologies as there are.

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  59. Garrett – many people seek to get involved with “white magic” and sorcery through avenues like New Moon and Harry Potter. While many people may not do that, it does open that door. Furthermore, it desensitizes people to the danger of witchcraft when it is embraced as entertainment and “harmless.” If you talk to anyone who has been involved in witchcraft – they will tell you that there is no such thing as “white magic” or “good magic.” Sorcery is sorcery and it is all done in the realm of darkness. That opposes God and His sufficiency. If you disagree with me – you must, however, deal with Holy Scripture.

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  60. That logic still says when i watch Law and Order it can “open that door” for me to commit murder, I am guessing you believe that harry potter and new moon have converted people to this “white” magic. would also be inclined that watching law and order has lead to murder?oh, i happen to have read harry potter when the whole church thing was going to crazy. and the videos these churches put out against these books and how it correlates to witchcraft informed me more of witch craft and actual black magic than anything i EVER read in harry potter.

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  61. You know Garrett, you may have a point with the whole “Law and Order Theory.” What you put into your mind through your eyes affects you, whether you realize it or not. Why do you think Paul said that you have to take your thoughts captive? I do think that watching shows like Law and Order or any other show for that matter can cause you to think about things that you would never ordinarily think about. Therefore, having to deal with things that you would not have ordinarily dealt with. If you think that you are strong enough to take care of whatever thoughts come into your head based on Harry Potter, Law and Order or Sesame Street, you are very wrong, my friend. We are charged to daily be transformed into the image of Christ, and I don’t believe that any TV show mentioned in this thread encourage us in that way.

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  62. The problem, quite simply, is not the simple depiction of evil – life is filled with such depictions. It is the GLORIFICATION of said evil that is the problem. In the case of the Twilight series – and the latest “New Moon”, we have not only the glorification of evil (a Vampire), but the setting up as an idol of said evil. Millions of females, both young and old, are “in love” with Edward.This is an issue of situational ethics, something many churches have allowed themselves to become pawn of. The Bible does not give much room for such flaky moral decisions.Paul clearly warned against doing or participating in ANYTHING that could in ANY way bring suspicion upon ourselves, or to present a stumbling block to others. A Christian who chooses to walk away from their claimed faith to go see and enjoy such evil-glorifying movies is doing exactly what Paul warned against.

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  63. Amen, Pastor Michael!

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  64. The movie is about a war between vampires and warewolves. Pretty stupid, if you ask me. If I may ask, is watching Dracula bad? Or warewolf movies. . . I actually don’t know any. Oh wait, how about Silver Bullet? Is the entire genre of horror out for Christians? No more Lon Chaney? Or is there something specifically wrong with Twilight?

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  65. Pastor David,You should know the answer to your own question. There is something strange about Halloween. When you drive down the street and see (during that season) people laying beside trees with an ax stuck into their skull – a normal mind that has not been desensitized to the idea of the horror of that season – realizes that something is not right. Why would any Christian desire to normalize and desensitize his or her brain to the horror of such evil? Is murder good? Is adultery good? Is homosexuality good? Are blood sucking vampires good? From a biblical perspective – the answer is, No! So, why would any Christian claim “Christian liberty” in order to enjoy such entertainment?While watching a movie or reading a book may not cause a person to become guilty of the very sin on the screen or in the book (although it could in certain cases) – it cannot be beneficial to the spiritual maturity of that individual. Furthermore, could it be done for the glory of God? That is the real question.Colossians 3:2 – Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.Pastor Josh Buice

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  66. Josh, I dont think you’ve made any enemies, people just disagree with you. I can say it’s okay to disagree with me, no harm done. We have far more in common than we do not in common. I think many Christians feel they have to defend the gospel, against the culture. They feel they have to forcefully change culture by demonstrations against it. This has not worked and will not work. The only thing that can change culture is by peoples hearts changing one at a time. It doesnt come by repeating John 3:16 over and over to them, you can ask anyone on the street that and they can quote it. The culture will change when people see Christians whose lives match the message. The message is about love – loving God and others. When people see believers loving them and not just preaching at them, you’ll see culture change. When people see believers who acknowledge their own struggles, failures and shortcomings, and not a bunch of people pretending to have it all together, and who have all the answers, you’ll see culture change. How is the kingdom built, one person at a time. Put this in persepctive for a second, Christianity is not about sin management, when it’s made out to be , the religion itself becomes a stumbling block from people actually knowing Jesus and it makes for a miserable walk with Him. Also remember Jesus’s biggest enemies weren’t “secular people”. He wasn’t at war with them, and he didnt walk around poking his finger in their faces telling them to repent or burn in hell because of someting they did or didnt do. His enemies were the religious right at the time, who were telling people do this and that to get to God. Follow this law and that law and you’ll be right with God. I dont think Jesus would be protesting Twilight or Harry Potter. He would probably be friends with alot of the people who enjoy the books and watch the movies.

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  67. Hello all -Do we really need to debate this? This is clearly growing closer and closer to the occult. I may be on the older side but I don’t understand how any Christian would want to watch this stuff.When we ask the question I believe the battle is lost. There are so many other good forms of media to watch. Philippians 4:8!Pure? Lovely? Praiseworthy? I don’t think so…

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  68. Quick clarification…Under grace I understand we are free (within reason) to do what we’d like. I am not a “legalist”. It just seems to me that we should desire to be more like Christ.I ask my kids once in while if they would eat brownies with “just a little” of the dogs (you know what) in them.I think you can guess the answer. ;-)

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  69. Christine,Paul set up his ideals very seperately from those of Christ. Paul is a stumbling block to most new Christians, as his views clearly shows. No one should be forced to live in Pauls world, which is no different than the world the Taliban set up for those via their skewed interpretation of Islamic fundamentalism (religious beliefs aside).

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  70. Wow, Jeff D, you seem to have some serious Paul issues! :) Tood bad his writings are some of the most influential in Christian history and he was inspired directly by God to write them! No one is forced to live in Paul’s world. We all have a choice, but he was convinced of who he was serving and why he was serving. I think Paul and the Taliban are worlds apart. I would be interested to see what correlations you see between the two.

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  71. I’m confused, I thought all scripture was “God Breathed”?Does this mean that homosexuality is OK? What other books can I tear our if I find them offensive?How do we come to understand Grace? Works? Church organization and leadership? The Body? Roles within the Body? The Bride of Christ?

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  72. Jason, are you by chance Jason from Shades Mountain Christian?

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  73. Garrett – Nope sorry never heard of Shades Mountain Christian

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  74. Josh,So it’s not just Twilight that’s out. . . it’s the entire genre, correct? Dracula, too?David

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  75. And Mark,”Under grace I understand we are free (within reason) to do what we’d like.”Are you serious? We are not free to do what we like! We are bound to the Lordship of Jesus CHrist. Even our thoughts are to be under his control. Thus the interest in this discussion. . . what would please the Lord concerning a movie like Twilight?David

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  76. Oh Man, you’re right! Yikes!I actually am very much a Lordship Guy (as any true Christian is!)We are certainly not free “not to sin” ;-)Mark

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  77. Mark,amen. I am trying hard to be more of a lordship guy.Things like twilight actually cnflict me. Again. . . Dracula, Abbot and Costello meet the wolf man . . . Zombies — is everything horror out the door? I am serius in the question. PErsonally, I don’t think all horror is bad. All stories need a protagonist and a villain. But under the Lordship of Christ. . .David

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  78. David,I think it goes back to what or who is being glorified. Narnia has plenty of villains, but they are clearly the villains. Twilight and many others blur that line. The older types of horror, in my opinion, were much better at making sure we knew who the real villain is. The story of Jesus and our salvation is one huge story of the good guy defeating the bad guys. Yet again, the villain is clearly stated. Just my thoughts on the subject.

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  79. Christine,Understood.So is dracula back on the table? (:What you are proposing is good. . . but difficult to define ahead of time. In other words: It’s hard to know before you see a movie or read a book if it will in fact glorify evil.I’m not actually sure Twilight glorifies vampires. THey seem pretty messed up to me. The vampires in the movie don’t want the girl to become one of them because they know iti s not a good life. It is true all the girls are gitty over Edward. . . but it hoenstly all seems pretty dopey to me. sorry. I just can’t get worked up.

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  80. I don’t understand why my fellow Christians would be against The Chronicles of Narnia. If you are at all familiar with C.S Lewis, you would understand that he was a theologian . He wrote books defending the Christian faith. Some of his works include :the Screwtape Letters, and Mere Christianity. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, the first book of the series, demonstrates Christ’s sacrifice and Resurrection. Aslan,, who is representing Jesus in the books, (in the Magicians Nephew, Aslan is singing Narnia into being: Creation, anyone?) Aslan dies in place of Edmund, who betrays his family to the evil White Witch, is condemned to be killed by the Witch, but Aslan takes his place instead, and, though he could have torn his enemies to shreds, he walks to his death in which his great mane is cut away. He is killed by the Witch, but comes back to life at dawn, to return the impending battle with the Witch and kill her. I had these stories read to me in a Christan grade school. They are beautiful books! I’d greatly encourage any Christian to read them!!

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  81. So true, Marie! What an amazing picture Mr. Lewis created in his books.

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  82. I agree to disagree..Unfortunatly we live in modern times. Some of us can not catch up as well as others do. Yes, if you want to be extremem, “edward” and “bella” are simular to the lion and the lamb, the ying and yang, and all others that say good and evil can be one. And I do not think that this movie is trying to protray that sanerio for us viewers/readers. I am a christian, and I have read the series of twilight and seen the first two movies. I do not think that God would frown apon me. I am not going to start up my own cult of “vampires” because of this series. I think that the writer did an amazing job on these stroies. She is a great author! Again, if you want to be rediculus about this subject then by all means have fun with it. But as someone else with this post has stated, even disney movies are not “Christian ethical”. No princess has a mommy and daddy, it’s either or, they are spoiled, diobdient, etc. Those are certainly characteristics we would not want to install in our children. Back to the topic at hand, I THINK THE AUTHOR DID AN AMAZING JOB ON TWILIGHT.

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  83. I agree with Paul. Ricky Lannoye is just trying to promote his stupid book. Watch when he lands in that one place he doesn`t believe in. The reason people go to hell is because of there actions. God gives people the free will to decide on there lifestyle and if they choose to be and do ungodly things than they will go to the place where it is ungodly and unholy for there personal life style choice that obviously didnt include our God.

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  84. Sarah, what is ungodly is to rejoice in the hardships of others. You are right that people choose where they spend eternity, but never forget that you deserve to go to hell as much as anyone else does, you’ve just been redeemed. Being happy that someone is going to hell is hardly a Christ-like attribute.

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  85. Newsflash,A whole lot of people whose lifestyle’s “include God” are going to split hell wide open!

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  86. What??? This article is obviously designed to evoke the argumentative responses that we have all posted, myself included. Just because this is a movie about vampires doesn’t make it evil. Perhaps because most movies about vampires in the past are about evil vampires, you have made that assumption. Basically every move made is about good vs. evil to some degree. Shall we just go ahead and ban all those movies too? To sin or not to sin is a choice humans must make every day, in the most menial situations. These vampires, the Cullens’, are not depicted as evil in this movie, and are actually fighting against the evil vampires.None of them had the opportunity to choose their fate, but are making the best of their situation by going against their “sinful” nature and attempting to be “good.” Is that not what every human being alive must do in order to be granted admission into heaven???

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  87. No Teri…We are not granted admission into heaven because we attempt to be good. We can never be “good” enough. We are admitted into heaven because Jesus lived a perfect life, and took our sin on himself (being punished on the cross for all of our sins), and God credited us with Jesus’ righteousness. We are admitted to heaven because of our faith (granted by God) and belief in Jesus Christ, and by His being our Lord. All men sin and battle their sin nature. As Christians we receive God’s Holy Spirit which enables us to turn from sin, however the sin nature persists throughout our lives. The Apostle Paul called himself a sinner post conversion.We are saved by God’s grace, through faith, which is the free gift of God. We are not saved by works, so that none can boast of his own righteousness.Ephesians 2:8-9 (New King James Version)8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.Romans 3:23-26 (New King James Version)23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

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  88. i read the whole twilight saga and watched movies but i didnt know that it was bad in any way i was even obsessed once. its not really like regular vampire books sinse the cullens dont actually have the blood of humans but it was weird though when i was obsessed i didnt know why and when i thought about it i realised that there was something wrong about it. theres so many errors in the writing of the books and loads of people become obsessed but i was able to see sense and let go of it. all those fangirls should see sense too…ye its hard to do to the right things when you dont know that some of the bad things are wrong to do but when you find out then stop doing them.i dont even watch or read harry potter. a girl in my class said im missing out but i said ‘no, its witchcraft im not interested.’

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  89. I am a Christian. I love God more than anything else in the world. I’ve read 3 of the Twilight books, saw both movies.. and I’ve even read Harry Potter when I was smaller.I do not, however think that just because I read something and it helps my imagination, that I will be casted to hell. It’s not like Harry Potter gives instructions on how to do magic. It’s a story. There’s a witch in Snow White. Are you going to tell your child that they’re going to hell for watching a Disney movie? In another Disney movie Mickey Mouse does magic. Does that mean every child, or every parent that lets their child watch it.. simply because its imaginative will be sent to hell? I do not think so. It makes me so mad when people say ‘you’re going to hell for reading twilight and harry potter’ because I know I’m not. It makes me mad when parents hide their children from those stories, just because it has things they disagree with. Your child should be able to make their own decisions. I am not going to push God on someone. That’s not fair.

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  90. For the record, the article and people who have commented on the article have not condemned people to Hell for reading Twilight or watching movies like Harry Potter. The point is based on the clear biblical evidence that calls Christians to be separate from the world.Romans 12:1-2.Furthermore, since ALL forms of witchcraft are condemned in Scripture – we should not fill our minds with those types of things.

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  91. Hello, well I kinda wanted to make a comment from around the first posts with Narnia.And from what I heard, C.S Lewis wasn’t Christian. It may have been someone else, but I recently learned and I’m pretty sure that he isn’t actually Christian. And I do agree that there is magic, but a lot of the stuff is much Christian.Though I personally try to look beyond a lot of stuff. Twilight I’m not a fan of, at all. But I do believe that God say’s to love everyone as they would want to be loved. And I do believe in standing up for our beliefs, but when I see it. I see a lot of us getting very bitter and brutal towards the people who do and don’t understand, and had I not been Christian there are a lot of times I could see myself not wanting to believe because we look so bitter and judge-mental.However, that’s me. I apologize if I have offended someone. Have a nice day! God Bless you all.

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  92. Sierra,You are misinformed about C.S. Lewis. He was a Christian. Notice what he said in his book “Mere Christianity” -A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic – on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg – or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. – C.S. Lewis in Mere Christianity.

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  93. I see, well I never read the books. I watched the series, and honestly all I saw was magic…If I remember correctly mainly on the side of evil. But, as I said before. I see a lot of judgemental Christians, a lot of people who say they are Christian, but their words don’t reach their actions.I can see the complients, but…It is also not the job of a Christian to judge, as that is God’s job. What happens on earth…It happens, the devil will try whatever he can to help us lose our faith. I’m young, so I may not hold as much knowledge as some of the people here.. But, I go by my beliefs, and I believe that God would want us to love everyone, including sinner and people like C. S Lewis.

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  94. Sierra,He does want us to love all people – that is the mandate of the Great Commission. We are to tell all people – everywhere – the good news of Jesus Christ. However, we are not to condone sinful practices like witchcraft just because it is a mainstream American entertainment option.We must speak the truth in love. That was the goal of my article.Have a great day!

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  95. I am young and read twilight and other vampire books. I don’t think reading these books bring us to portraying witchcraft. It’s mainly about forbidden love. Ans there is a witch in many little children movies like, “Sleeping Beauty” and the “Barbie” movies. These movies actually teach the little children to stay away from evil.

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  96. Not to be rude, but i think some of you are WAY too into this. It’s entertainment and I really just don;t believe that a book is going to take me away from God or lead me into any witchraft practices or anything like that…I listen to metal and i read and watch these movies and I love God with all my heart. I’m not any less of a christian for watching these. I’m pretty sure God’s not going to take my place in heaven away because I watch a few movies about vampires or listen to hard music.

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  97. Peyton,It’s not about losing your salvation – it’s about obeying Christ. If we love Him, we will keep His commandments.We should desire to do: Romans 12:1-2.

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  98. It is definitely not about losing salvation, Pastor Josh is right. The view that by watching and reading fiction involving any kind of magic means we are not loving God and disregarding his scriptures and choosing to be conformed to this world is something I think many Christians including myself will continue to agree to disagree on. I do not believe reading and watching this kind of fiction conforms me to the world or causes me to love God any less. It is storytelling, used to convey an expression of some sort. We learn alot about ourselves and about those around us through fiction and fictional metaphors. Worldy or not, stories are just like everything else in this world- some good, some bad. We need to evaluate and latch on to the good and dismiss the bad. We do not condone what God does not condone. This does not make us “of the world”, but we still have tot live in it. To be oblivious to things we can learn from certain stories can cause us to miss out on so many various ways God can speak to us and move in our lives. I think this view of the scriptures is extreme, but I can say that I’m personally thankful for fellow believers who watch out for one another and speak in love for things they feel convicted about. This is what we need to do for one another, regardless of our differences in opinion. God bless you, Pastor Josh and thank you for caring about our spiritual health and walk with the Lord.

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  99. BTW, Pastor Josh, you mentioned a while back that we have to be careful to not take the liberty of interpreting each scripture personally, as we want to see it. The problem with that is if various Christians didn’t have differences of opinions of the interpretations of the scriptures, then there would not be so many denominations. Look at how some Catholics, some protestants, baptists and pentacostals view this matter. Heck, even an array of differences of opinions within the same denominational bodies. I think it will always be that way, and that is why I think posts like this provoke the various responses you’ve gotten here- it comes off a bit condescending when through the way you explain your view of it, that it is the only view and therefore implies those that disagree somehow are not obeying Romans 12:1-2, or loving God as they should. I really hope you understand what I’m trying to explain, I am sincerely saying this out of love and all due respect.

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  100. I think as christians we need to remember that we are to be set apart from the world. I think the above explantion describes it perfectly. We are light and stuff like that is dark. As a believer I want to fill my head with God and His word. Our hearts are wicked and we need to guard it. It is easy to fall into the cares of this world. Lord forgive us for straying from You

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  101. Since the Twilight series are books… fictional I might add. This brings to my mind a question. Are all types of fiction (fantasy related) bad to read? I am a Chrisian and a school teacher. What do I do if the students must read fantasy fiction for a grade? – state standards must be met. Must I risk my job? I do not think fantasy fiction is bad, unless you take it to heart. Shakespeare uses a ton of supernaturalism and other fantasy related usage, that teachers must teach according to state standards.I personally do not think it is wrong for me to teach fictional fantasy.

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  102. When we ask the question I believe the battle is lost. There are so many other good forms of media to watch. Philippians 4:8!Pure? Lovely? Praiseworthy? I don’t think so…….i agree with mark's comment. i struggled with watching this series and the true blood tv show, and this verse is what finally made it click with me. i'm a grown woman; i have no plans on becoming a vampire, lol! but it's true that this kind of obvious poison can, over time, erode your mind and give the evil one a foothold into your soul. God loves us and understands our human limitations. he knows how sly satan can be; even told us that evil can appear to be lovely! that's why he told us not to dabble in things like witchcraft and magic. if your parents tell you that doing drugs is bad, are you going to go to a party 'just to have fun' and 'watch' other people do drugs? and honestly not be tempted? or at least have conflict in your soul?i have christian friends who thoroughly enjoy these vampire series. i just told them simply that i wasn't interested in watching them anymore. i didn't lecture them about their choices. i care for them, and while i worry about them, each person must account for their own actions when they face the Lord.the very fact that you are reading this page, beloved, is a sign that the Holy Spirit is working in your heart! i pray you will hear His voice :)with love,jen

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  103. Personally I struggle with watching evil shows on TV.  I find a lot of my Christian friends not having issues with Harry Potter and Twilight. Christians don't see what they watch as wrong. I work as a movie extra and sadly I help bring things like Harry Potter and Twilgight to the screen. It is because Christians want to see them so I have to work them because I need the money. I was on True  Blood. And If True Blood needs me again I won't turn it down and if it was Twilight or Harry Potter I would still take. Christians don't understand that when you go and see a movie you are telling Hollywood that you don't want the Passions you want Twilight. And sadly they are amking Christians in the industry have to sin.I am not going to say that working on them doesn't bother me, because they do. There was one movie where I struggled, this was a por-wiccan film, that just bothered me for about one year that I worked on. I would love to lie and say that we pick the movies ourselves, sorry it doesn't work that way. My calling service picks them for me and I have to be there or get black-listed. The funny thing is that Christians pay to see it, but I am the one that get accused for working on it.

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  104. People, plleeaassee!  When did being excited about a book/movie become a target for christians?? I am a christian all my life and never would I put anything/anyone above my Lord Jesus Christ.  Stephanie Meyer is a fabulously gifted author and the film industry was smart enough to put her writing into film.  In this series, there is NO nudity, NO cursing, NO sex, NO racial comments, NO blood and guts gore.  If anything, it is a tender love story interwoven with fantasy, drama, action and a very talented cast.  And this is bad because?????? However, for fans to go nuts over movie stars, characters, football and baseball, even is more of an abomination to our Lord because we are to give all our glory to Him.  Anytime anyone goes to the extreme of worshiping anyone or anything other than God is wrong.  So get a grip on your philosophy, rhetoric and scholarly psychology and just read the series of books or go see the movies.  Then you will see that it's interesting, fun and the stunts and filmmaking that went into the series of movies is worth appreciation.  Maybe you should put all your energy into anti-war marches, conservation causes and something to actually benefit humanity instead of tearing down christians.  Let's put our focus on where it should be and that is standing together as one in this increasingly evil world without morals.  Live life and savor every minute!

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  105. Okay, I am a Christian. And I would like to say that this article is absolutely ridiculous. You are not going to hell for reading a fictional book. I do not believe vampires exist. I also do not believe that witches and witchcraft exists like in Harry Potter, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make for an interesting plot and book. JK Rowling incorporated Christmas into her books, and the central theme of the saga was good conquering evil. I would almost say that Harry Potter could be interpreted as a Jesus-like figure and Voldemort as almost Satan. Voldemort wanted Harry Potter to suffer, and die, but Harry lived on to help the people he loved, even when the worst things would happen to him. If anything Harry Potter is an inspirational book, and I don't understand why people oppose it so.Twilight on the other hand, may not be a representation of Jesus Christ or the Devil, but it's more of a love story about a girl and a misunderstood boy trying to make their love happen in a world where the odds are against them, rather than a bunch of vampires.I'm not saying witches or vampires exist. I think you should truly read these books before you post such things. God will not turn you away from heaven for reading a book you enjoy. You are not practicing Wicca, or praying to Satan, so what is wrong with it?As a Christian, I say this.

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    • First off, I never said that you were going to hell for reading a fictional book. Please make sure you don’t put words in my mouth. However, what I do want to say is that in the Bible – which is our final authority – all sorcerers are spoken of in a negative sense! In fact, in Revelation 22:15 – the sorcerers are listed in the same group with male prostitutes and murderers. In that verse, the Scripture says that they will not enter heaven. Therefore, it should be plain to see that sorcery and everything related to that type of thing is evil and should be rejected by Christians. It just seems strange that people of the light, saved by the light of the world – Jesus Christ – and called out of darkness into His marvelous light would actually desire such things that are consumed in darkness, evil, and witchcraft. Hopefully you see my point a bit more clearly now.For the glory of Christ!Josh Buice

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  106. You are all missing the point Its the Idol that teens and adults make this movie into. Do not be lukewarm about this this is a threat and a distraction to take your eyes off of God, and guess what Satan is laughing at us all who say “this is nothing” that is want he wants you to think brothers and sisters. Stop this mainstream media distraction and open your Bible stay on the His path do not trun left of right. Its time to realize that satans schems can be very “crafty” and appear harmless. God bless and read the book “crazy love”

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  107. wow. i can not believe i just read this. as i writer you obviously have done 0 research on the subject your talking about. im a christian, and i love twilight along with many many other well writen, deep books with meaningful story lines. and as someone who actually has some level of knowledge about twilight i have to say you are dead wrong (no pun intended) for some reason witchcraft and harry potter came up in an artical about twilight, so just to get that out of the way THERE IS NO WITCHCRAFT IN TWILIGHT! i cant even remember a time when it was mentioned! and second. the whole story line is more than just some evil characters disguised as perfect figures to be idolized, in fact their all rather human and by that i mean they suffer from jelousy and lust and pain and sin just like you do. its the search for redemption despite those sins. isnt that what being a christian is about? finding refuge for our own natures? the characters in twilight are constantly resisting sin and holding eachother to those convictions. to say that something with a blatenly meaningful and inspiring storyline is evil and should be rebuked is more horrid than anything ive ever read in the entire twilight saga.

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  108. I am in full agreement with your article, however when I speak to people on this subject I am met with continual resistance. I don’t believe they are evil or even have desires to become vampires or werewolves they think this is just entertainment.I think i can stress this point better with story, are there other scripture passages that would help in illustrate the importance of this problem especially to teen and young adults.

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  109. i think that what is permissible for one may not be for another period. Don’t judge others for reading it, but be also on your guard. God bless you…

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  110. A recent speaker at our church gave some fantastic advice…When we accuse others of being judgemental, we are most likely being judgemental ourselves!Wise advice indeed.Galatians 5:22-23 (New King James Version)22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

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  111. Movies like these are designed to desensitize the viewer regarding demonic spirits like Vampires and Werewolves, regarding divorce and separation, regarding suicide & recklessness, and many other issues to which the Bible is clearly opposed. Take for example a Vampire that drinks blood! The Bible clearly states in Deut 12:23 “But never consume the blood, for the blood is the life, and you must not consume the lifeblood with the meat.” (See also Lev 17:14.) The movie further glorifies the follies of a teenager. Prov 22:15 states that “A youngster’s heart is filled with foolishness, but physical discipline will drive it far away.” But who will discipline the teenager in this movie, whose parents are seperated? Does this movie not promote, teenage suicide as an acceptable practice?

    Even Narnia for that matter is designed to desensitize Christians towards witchcraft. Yet many Christians gulp it down like the “pure word of god”. All this can be summed up in one word – DECEPTION.

    Jeremiah 9:6 “You live in the midst of deception; in their deceit they refuse to acknowledge me,” declares the LORD.”

    2 Thess 2:10 “… He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. …”

    2Peter 2:18 “… boasting. With an appeal to twisted sexual desires, they lure back into sin those who have barely escaped from a lifestyle of deception. …”

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    • Twilight is wrong…period…not to mention the fact that it is littered with Mormon theology (another deceiver). A day will come when good is called evil and evil is deemed good. That day is now. Do not be deceived by the roaring lion who walks about waiting to devour your soul.

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    • Hey, John I am a fellow Christain and My name is noelle. First and for most if Twilight Books and Movies and Harry Potter Books and Movies are a Sin, Evil, and Wrong then ALL TV Shows and ALL Movies and ALL Books are a Sin and Evil because U and Anyone Else can find Sin, Evil, and Wrong in Everything and in Everybody. Jesus said it best ” He who would be without Sin cast the first Stone.” By U, John putting down Twilight and Harry Potter, U are casting Stones. So are U PERFECT? ??? ??? Are U PERFECT 100% ALL The Time? ??? Jesus, Himself would watch and read Twilight and Harry Potter. I can say that and I know that I am RIGHT because I know Jesus as My Lord and Savor. Vampires are NOT at ALL Real they are FAKE and Werewolves are FAKE as Well. Twilight and Harry Potter are FAKE and MADE UP, for something to be A Sin and Evil it has to be REAL, FAKE stuff is not a Sin and Evil because the KEY Word it’s FAKE. PLEASE, Please Email ME at Allynoelle16@yahoo.com .

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  112. Mr James the words you speak have been spoken by many others trying to justify sin. Either you know and love God the Father of Jesus or not. When a christian begins to entertain Satan it would be like one of your parents bringing someone else into their marriage bed right in front of their spouse. A place so intimate that it would deeply wound the spouse or one that you have made a covenant with to hold dear as God the father of Jesus holds us dear. And you too.

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  113. Hey, my name is noelle and I am a Christain. As a Fellow Christain, I would just like to say to U my brother in Christ, that U are WRONG about Twilight and Vampires. First and for most just because the girl that wrote twilight is a mormen has nothing to do with anything. No Matter What kind of Christain U are, if U believe in God and Jesus and Love them then U are Saved and a True Christain. There are Types of Christain and that’s ok because we as christain’s are the body of Christ. No Matter if your a Mormen, Caticloc, Batisp, or the others. Yes, there are some Christains that are Wrong and are doing Wrong but that doesn’t make them all Wrong, DUH! I have three Mormen Friends Two Girls and One Guy and they are mormen’s in the why the girl how wrote Twilight is. They are not like and do not act like that mormen guy U talked about. U are WRONG about Twilight and other Vampire books. First of ALL I am a Writer like the Girl that Wrote Twilight. I Write My Own Songs and My Own Stories. So If I want to Write A Song or Write a Story about Vampires or Werewolves then WHO are U as a Fellow Christain to put down what I Write about and Yes, I could and have wrote a Song about Vampires because I like Vampires. I like Dragons too. What do Dragons and Vampires have to do with each other, well here is socker for U. Vampires and Werewolves are NOT REAL, they are FAKE and MADE UP! So if Vampires are not REAL then HOW can they be Evil or a Sin. A Sin is something REAL not something FAKE. U let me know when U have meet a REAL, and I DO mean a REALLY REAL Vampire. I can tell U right now as a Fellow Christain, that Jesus would watch ALL the Twilight Movies because they are not REAL. Jesus cares about REAL Stuff not FAKE and MADE UP stuff. The Twilight love stuff can NEVER EVER HAPPEN because Vampires are NOT REAL. If U meet a REAL Vampire then U can say that Vampire Books and Movies are a Sin or are Bad. PLEASE, Please Email ME, so WE can Talk.My Email is Allynoelle16@yahoo.com .

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  114. Reading some of these comments kind of confused me a bit. This is a little off topic but I am confused on the mentions of Christmas. Many said they know that Christmas is based on a pagan holiday but yet they still celebrate it in order to celebrate Jesus’ birth. I am confused. Where in the bible does it say to celebrate his birth? It wasn’t any time around December 25, which like stated above, was based on a pagan holiday – the birth of the Sun God. Absolutely none of the traditions of Christmas have anything to do with Jesus. And even if you removed these traditions I still wonder why you find it necessary to celebrate his birth. Christmas occurs NO WHERE in the bible nor does it state to celebrate anything of the sort…

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    • …wow.

      but anyways I will answer your question.
      people began to celebrate the birth of
      Jesus a second after he was born. the wise
      men brought offerings to him, and people celbrate
      why would you Ever not celebrate his birth
      thats disgusting if you don’t and you know
      what maybe I will screw christmas and call
      it JESUSMiss this year. point is, I am celebrating GOD. perhaps a deamon was born the same day as Jesus was. yet Oh noooo we won’t worship God and celbrate his birth of the savior of the world because a wittle deamon was formed on that day.

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